Public sentiment regarding the Air India plane crash investigation is predominantly negative, characterized by deep grief for the victims and a strong sense of distrust towards Air India's management and maintenance practices. Many commenters highlight negligence and demand accountability in aviation safety, expressing fears about flying with the airline post-incident. Overall, there's a unified call for thorough investigations and systemic reforms to prevent such tragedies in the future.

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Boeing

Jesus that's terrifying. It gets barely any momentum at all. Really unnerving the way it just floats back down.

sol_1990

So it looks like it lost power and just didn't have the altitude to do anything at all.

TheManWithTheKrag

PixelCortex

Pretty sure flaps are there - it starts climbing fine, but then looks like engines just lose thrust mid flight?

WorkingCalendar2452

I’m holding judgment until the YouTube crash investigation team comes up with the facts

Basic-Week-9262

Am I correct in thinking there should be enough thrust from 1 engine to reach safe altitude in the event of an engine loss after takeoff?  What are the odds of a dual-engine failure?

SortOfGettingBy

Absolutely insane. Just shouldn't happen at all with so much redundancy.

daveirl

Can you imagine being air traffic control and watching this happen? I feel terrible for all involved.

Bowling4rhinos

[https://www.youtube.com/shorts/1055l0B9dm0](https://www.youtube.com/shorts/1055l0B9dm0) what it should look like to take off. Engine loses thrust couple seconds in. Maybe the first climb is also too slow already? difficult to say...

25tidder

I wonder if it’s a full power failure, and what is that dust smoke as it begins to clime? RIP to those lost.

The_Ghost_of_WWE

I dont hear anyone talking about a loud noise. The lone survivor reported that 30 seconds after take off there was a loud noise and then the crash happened

SignificantSound7904

fukredditadmin5

787 lost both engines simultaneously? Someone fucked up.

SingleDigitVoter

Is the dust cloud just engine thrust or was there a tail strike?

ashypants82

Take offs are the thing I’m most afraid of being when I’m flying, I always think that the plane it’s gonna lose power and fall, this just reinforced my biggest fear. Yikes.

garlic-_-bread69

God, poor bastards barely got off the ground. At least it was probably super quick.

TheCarloHarlo

I guess I"ll wait for the Air Crash Investigations episode to come out

DistractedByCookies

Those poor people.  And even more sympathy for their surviving family... God dayum...

short_bus_genius

Kind of looks like the flaps aren’t down

StorageJumpy1835

As an airline captain one issue I haven’t seen discussed at all is the landing gear. Nobody is mentioning something so glaringly obvious. Airlines typically retract them within seconds of becoming airborne (positive rate). Especially if you need climb performance.  Gear remained down throughout the entire sequence. 

As a seasoned aviatior I know better than to speculate until authorities have a preliminary report. But the gear tells a huge part of what might’ve occurred. 

jagerma

My literal night mate, and have thought about that way to many time when watching other planes take off. “What if it doesn’t fly”. Fu•k!

Edit: I’m leaving it, you all know it’s suppose to be; nightmare

FunctionalBoredom

SoupieLC

That 100% looks like a flaps up takeoff 😳

shoksurf

Shidima

This feels like the slowest take off I’ve ever seen. Amazed it got off the ground

ivorybloodsh3d

Hey! I'm an ex air india crew and this was a frequent aircraft that I'd fly. This aircraft has had issues for YEARS. Literally years. The crew, pilots, engineers, literally everyone has always mentioned about it in the log book. But the company didn't have a spare Dreamliner for their most precious Gatwick sector. Which is why we were always, made to fly this aircraft. I've myself had an engine failure on this aircraft. Thankfully we landed back safely. It was a similar case where we took off and immediately landed back without being in air for even 30 mins.
Here, no staff but solely the company is at fault. But the company won't let any staff talk about it on a public channel. They'd rather blame the staff and not take accountability.—- I found this on Instagram

[deleted]

Wonder if the flight computer was programed with the wrong take off data such as the amount of fuel or weight on board and the aircraft responded with lower take off speed or flaps position?

colin8651

Looks like they didn't have flaps deployed. Yikes.

NoRagrets4Me

At what stage do you typically see landing gear starting to retract? I notice that they never move here, but that could be due to the relative short length of the entire sequence.

JPMoney81

Overran the runway, struck runway lighting, lost both engines, and then struggled to maintain altitude?

That cloud of dust after rotation makes me think it was not on a commonly used part of the field...

ArgonWilde

I can't believe someone survived that. Incredible.

soulure

crasher925

That is loss of thrust or loss of lift or loss of a control surface.  I'd bet engine failure, full loss of flaps, or maybe an elevator surface failure.  That is such a gentle loss of controlled elevation while keeping the the thing flat.  It is such a symmetric loss of altitude.

I'm going to bet on tail elevator failure.  I'll put it at 5:1 odds.

skovalen

It looks like for whatever reason they didn't develop enough power and didn't abort the takeoff quick enough. They used every inch of the runway which shows up as the dust cloud at the end and never developed enough speed. 

Probably a combination of flight configuration,  mechanical malfunction and pilot error.

EDIT: Also, looking at the runway, it doesn't have taxiways to the end, so they had to back-taxi to a turnaround point. I'm interested to see if they went to the one at the end of the runway or the one 2,500 ft. further down.

bk553

Looks like they got behind the power curve towards the end there, especially when they raised the nose.

DPC128

Shamrock5

It seems to wobble quite a bit when the pilot starts rotating?

NoFewSatan

kingNero1570

Some are saying that the copilot pulled the wrong lever. Instead of the gear up he retracted the slats . Or something like the Gatwick incident.

fu2nexus6

The pilots had time for a mayday call which leads me to believe they were not airborne and past takeoff abort.

Mistake-Choice

Are people just really thick? 

The plane enters a normal climb and suddenly stops climbing. It entirely points to an engine failure. You can literally see in the video the planes nose up attitude doesn’t change, he’s making a normal accelerated climb and suddenly that changes.

Tainted-Archer

I’m flying later today and I feel sick…

KosstAmojan

that one lone survivor is going to have immense survivor's guilt i hope he turns out to be ok

oktwentyfive

Was the plane just too heavy / engines lost power ?

mdesouza

Video of Emirates 777 taking off from the same airport and it kicked up dust as well.

https://youtube.com/shorts/-r_EXV5jyJU?si=cP0WOljRrWcwj59h

Swansbutt

Have both black boxes been found yet? Some news articles I've read say so, others say  one is yet to be found.

ImInlovewithmath

No idea why people and media outlets are still propagating the whole no flaps theory. 

The original video from the rooftop shows what appears to be a black or dark line running down the leading edge and stops short of the wingtips, that dark line is the slats deployed.

If slats were deployed then we know at the bare minimum, flaps 1+ was selected at the time of the video (slats come down as long as flaps 1 or greater is selected)

Also, the post crash pics do show some flaps and slats deployed.

Whether or not if the flaps were sufficient to maintain lift is a whole different question. But flaps were down.

Either ways TOWCS should have warned the crew of an improper config if they attempted to takeoff.

Flaps beside, the key evidence is the sound in the same video which sounds like a propeller, very highly likely the rat was deployed and in some frames of the same video, something or some object (though not very clear) was sticking out from the belly of the aircraft, as many have pointed out.

Not 100% sure but it's starting to look like some form of hydraulic/electric failure or the worst, dual engine failure (according to b787 fcom on situations where the RAT deploys)

FamiliarSource98

Odd tilt of the landing gear plus the survivor saying that all the lights were flickering on and off suggests a power related issue.

Dubaishire

Seems like the flap settings &amp; weight mismatch theory isn't correct which is massive relief considering how noobish those errors would be. 

The plane just gave up on itself. The maintenance log will tell a lot. 

It's stunning how this could happen.

ratatouille211

Media says at least 290 dead this is so sad

Thoughts out to all those involved

triple7freak1

It seems the person who recorded the rooftop video did not start recording because he heard anything (as was being speculated). It seems to be totally a coincidence that he was recording it. Also he is 17 and seems to be in shock.

&gt;Aryan, as per PTI, had been casually filming a plane taking off — a routine habit — when a tragic twist of events turned his footage into a chilling record of one of the worst disasters in the history of aviation.

https://www.livemint.com/news/i-felt-very-scared-17-year-old-boy-who-shot-viral-air-india-plane-crash-video-records-statement-11749914140742.html

muhmeinchut69

Whatever went wrong here, it feels like we’re looking at something we haven’t come across before. A first of its kind incident, honestly.

SpencerAXbot

https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&amp;t=1502635&amp;start=1850

Very interesting post over at airliner.net


&gt; I've been seeing a lot of talk about the possibility of the RAT being deployed shortly after take off. Personally I think it's impossible to say from looking at the video, there does appear to be a dark line that is clearly not the gear, but it could just be a video artefact.

&gt; However, I come from an audio engineering background so I have been doing some experimentation with the audio from the video and comparing the frequencies of a known 787 RAT from a Boeing test video, where it is isolated without engine noise. I then compared it to a boeing test video of a 787-8 at take off thrust and another comparison to a JAL flight with both thrust and RAT.

&gt; From the 2 known and confirmed examples of the audio with RAT, the drone noise the RAT makes is strongest in the 350-700Hz frequency range. Taking the audio from the original higher quality AI171 fly-by video (according to the post), I can clearly identify RAT noise around the same 350-700Hz frequency range. It is very distinctive and when both confirmed RAT videos AND the AI171 audio is ran through a professional tuning app, they are all hovering around middle G (approx 391Hz) with an increasing pitch curve.

&gt; Lastly, I found a take off video of a 787 with the same Genx engines and extracted the audio to compare. There is clearly an absence of droning at the same frequency range, which was expected as there is clearly no RAT deployed.

&gt; My conclusion? I'd say with a high degree of certainty that the RAT sounding noise in the AI171 fly by video is a RAT and certainly not attributable to a passing car or motorcycle.

&gt; The only question is if the video's audio is real and undoctored. That I certainly can't answer.

Goes along with what a lot of people are saying. There’s also talk about how a 787 would handle during an early retraction of flaps and to no surprise to me, the aircraft wouldn’t react like it did in the video. I’ve been in a 787 to India, the thing is a beast. It climbs like it’s evading shots in a war zone.  

From what I read the aircraft should really just stop its climb as it converts its lift to forward acceleration. Not sure what the mathematic /  term is for that.

Anyone noticed the forward tilt of the main landing gear bogie in the [crash video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSuYnfoWZuQ)? Looks like they lost hydraulics about 2-3 seconds following the gear up selection, given that this tilt is only achievable during retraction.

Doesn't look like they forgot anything, the plane pretty much gave up the ghost almost immediately past V2.

GroceryOk4471

What’s puzzling to me is that both engines seem to fail simultaneously, if only one had failed we would see a major yaw in the vids. Ultimately if only one failed they would have still had power to continue and return to the airfield.  Something catastrophic happened affecting both engines, (RAT out, gear retraction stops mid cycle), pointing to an immediate fuel delivery failure to both, major electric failure and with the redundancies in the 787, seems hard to imagine and quite an impact to the global fleet. The boxes will rule in/out pilot error (accidentally engaged fuel cut off switches) and or intentional act.

dxbmark

Copying here my comment from the previous megathread :

"Here are validated real-world Airbus and Boeing incidents involving dual-engine shutdowns or issues like engines stuck at high/idle power—triggered by software logic, power failures, or FADEC quirks:


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1. Airbus A220 – Dual-engine shutdown on landing (July 11, 2021)

What happened: The crew retarded thrust to idle while autothrottle was still maintaining Mach. This mismatch triggered a transient thrust-control logic failure.

Outcome: Upon touchdown, both Pratt &amp; Whitney PW1500G engines shut down automatically, seriously compromising braking and hydraulics  .

Action taken: Airbus released a FADEC software update to revise detection criteria and prevent this from recurring  .



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2. Boeing 787‑8 (All Nippon Airways JA825A) – Dual-engine shutdown on landing (Jan 19, 2019)

What happened: Moments after touchdown at Osaka Itami, both Trent 1000 engines lost power. The aircraft coasted down the runway with no thrust and couldn't restart the engines on-ground  .

Likely cause: Boeing’s Thrust Control Malfunction Accommodation (TCMA) logic intervened—interpreting high thrust settings in weight-on-wheels conditions as a fault and shutting engines down  .

Status: Investigation into Boeing FADEC/TCMA behavior is ongoing following the incident  .



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3. Airbus A340‑300 / Boeing 777 (CFM56‑5C &amp; Trent 800 engines) – FADEC PMA power-loss shutdown risk

What happened: In Airbus A340 engines, failure of the Permanent Magnet Alternator (PMA) led to ECU power loss. Due to a software defect, the FADEC ECU did not switch to aircraft electrical power and shut down the engine in-flight  .

Potential risk: Similar FADEC ECU behavior was identified in Boeing 777 with Trent 800 engines—leading to concerns about potential dual shutdowns  .

Mitigation: Service Bulletins and software upgrades have been mandated to ensure the ECU properly switches to aircraft power in PMA failure events  ."

patsolagr

I don’t see how bird strikes or fuel contamination or any of the “traditional” ways to kill an engine, could result in perfectly symmetrical loss of power in both engines with no yawing and no sparks or flames. I can only imagine some bizarre electrical or computer anomaly commanding a shutdown.

mwanafunzi255

Instagram is filled with footage of the crash site. It's like you could walk up to the crash site and walk between the wreckage. Random people checking out aircraft parts from the wreckage, victims' personal belongings. People pushing and shoving each other just to click photos of a decapitated head. Someone should've dealt with the bystanders.

warriorr433

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ac90bLg1Oek

Watch this video and see his point about landing gear position. He makes a very good point in line with RAT extension and total hydraulic loss.

EDIT.

Summary if you don't want to watch.

In the crash videos you can see the landing gear is tilted forward. Which is not the default position in B787. But it tilts forward when you put the landing gear lever up and and the gear retracts. It looks like landing gear retraction was initiated, and suddenly stopped. Inline with total hydraulic loss and RAT extension (sound and grainy pixel).

Existing-Help-3187

"The right side engine of the nearly 12-year-old aircraft Air that crashed soon after take off from Ahmedabad airport was overhauled and installed in March 2025, PTI reports, citing an unidentified airline official. 


An inspection of the left side engine was done as per the engine manufacturer's protocol in April 2025, the official said."


https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/ahmedabad-plane-crash-live-black-box-boeing-787-crash-air-india-pm-modi-tata-aviation-india-news-us-uk-101749859485255.html

Solid-Beginning-7206

Reuters: 
“India’s government is urgently inspecting all Boeing 787s after a devastating Air India crash that claimed at least 270 lives this week, the aviation minister said on Saturday, adding that the authorities were investigating all possible causes.

The aviation regulator on Friday ordered Air India to conduct additional maintenance checks on its Boeing 787-8/9 aircraft equipped with GEnx engines, including assessments of certain take-off parameters, electronic engine control tests and engine fuel-related checks.”

Becoming increasingly clear that the most likely culprit is an aircraft system failure, not the crew. I hope everyone is past the “retracted the flaps instead of the gear” theory. Flaps/slats found properly extended in wreckage, landing gear appears to have initiated retraction but failed (per Juan Brown) which goes with a dual engine failure since the engines provide hydraulic power to retract the gear and the RAT, once deployed, only provides enough hydraulic pressure to lower the gear, not raise it.

Ruling out a bird strike (no carcasses found), seems like the next most likely culprit would be a critical failure in the fuel system since both engines failed, which is one of the listed systems receiving additional assessments and Mx checks.

edit: per Aviation Herald, the captain was a Line Training Captain (I’m hearing that’s similar to an LCA but cannot give line checks, just IOE. I’m only familiar with the US system).

proudlyhumble

Starting to think these few mainstream theories going around (flap retraction, bird strike, fuel contamination) are all going to turn out to be wrong… none of them really seem to add up.

Guessing we’ll find out the crash was caused by some strange combination of things nobody has really yet considered. OR, some extremely bizarre software or mechanical glitch that reared its head for the first time in 787 history.

AA87MO

Something I haven't seen brought up yet and curious for a workplace safety type of vantage:

  
The few pictures we've seen from the crash site have signs of something we haven't seen before in a large-scale airliner crash: instead of tons of twisted and sharp aluminum, there's explosively frayed ends of and shards of carbon fiber everywhere. The inboard end of that wing section looked like an armful of dreadlocks got tangled in an engine belt. And that's just what we're seeing from the bigger sections.

  
I don't see any respiratory protection in the few scene pictures, how realistic are the hazards of fragmented carbon fiber getting inhaled? Don't work with it much but I hear getting a sliver of it can be a bitch, too. What's the potential for long-term health effects for first responders to not only jet fuel, but the hazard posed by the remains of the aircraft?

railker

In my opinion, all the evidence is pointing at a near simultaneous dual engine failure at about 500ft. Rat deployed, loss of hydraulics to the gear, loss of main AC power, no engine sounds, obvious loss of thrust, and no signs of any rudder inputs which would have been needed if one engine failed before the other. 

For the pilots and maintenance engineers who know the 787 systems, outside of birds which was ruled out, is there anything you can think of that would cause a near simultaneous dual engine flameout on a 787?

speed150mph

So heart broken and distraught after looking at families grieving. So much anguish and pain has been brought upon those poor families. 

Every passenger, every family had a story to complete. 


I just hope the families get to identify thier loved ones and perform thier final rites .

Griffindor-69

So far, it doesn't appear that the pilots did anything wrong. It just sucks that they were never given a chance to fight.

SlapThatAce

After analyzing the clear video, it looks like RAT was on. For some reason aircraft lost both engines. Simply unbelievable.

Express-Cod9297

New update from aviation herald:

&gt; On Jun 15th 2025 Government Officials reported the aircraft had a longer than normal takeoff run and used almost all of the 3505 meters/11499 feet long runway.

If true that might indicate the engines might have started to loose power before rotation. Slowly so it was still enough to lift off but eventually failed. But I am not an expert, maybe that is a symptom of another underlying anomaly? Which caused dual engine power loss.

klizza

Putting aside fuel contamination, is there any way a fuel pump could jam or fail in a way that *both* engines are starved of fuel? That seems highly unlikely.

Sir_Sir_ExcuseMe_Sir

It's honestly disgusting how Captain Steeeve and others accussed pilot error with zero evidence while profiting massively off the deaths of hundreds. I hope he takes the video down or at least donates the add revenue to the families of the victims, I wonder if his company will take action as he has also been on several news channels spewing out the same rubbish as a so called 'expert' 

Please all report for misinformation

Puzzleheaded-Emu6338

Assuming no bird strike or fuel contamination, complete simultaneous dual engine failure is so unbelievably rare that I think there’s a good chance the cause will end up being some extreme fluke sequence of events that no one foresees, like was the case with BA38. And it took 2 years to get a final report for BA38.

ixvst01

Found this comment under one of Steeve's videos : 

I listened to the sole survivor on the news in my native language and he clearly said (translating to english), "Soon after the plane went up, it seemed that plane couldn't get 'race'. As if the plane shut off". He clearly mentioned 'race', by which he meant thrust or boost.  
  
Edit: I don't know about about other countries' vocab but here in India, by race we also mean to rev something. Like we rev a car's or bike's engine.

CeleritasLucis

I have a feeling the cause of this crash will be multiple factors combining to the main fault. I have read so many investigation reports from the hundreds of crashes over the years and have noticed that the single cause in crashes like this is has gotten rare. It takes many issues from not calculating the weight right for a hot day to a maintenance issue that was overlooked for too long, to distractions to the pilot.

KYresearcher42

So, what's known so far?

Seems like the flaps were engaged from the pictures of wing debris. So, the pilot error of messing up flaps and landing gear is not valid?

RAT was engaged from the sounds in the video before crash. Suggests engine failure or both engine failure and APU failure? or does it suggest both the main and secondary circuits have failed and only the emergency circuit was working?

Landing gear probably was not retracted to facilitate a crash landing, or it failed to retract right when the power failure happened?

ExtremeBack1427

Are there any good photos of the crash site? I’m not interested in any of the gore stuff, but I’m interested in what it looks like. I’m trying to picture how the plane came in and piece it together. Looks like it came down on the roof of the building? Just curious if anyone has anything. It’s morbid but also fascinating to observe how something with that much mass will affect a building/ surrounding area. I was actually confused/surprised at the aftermath photo of the building cafeteria. It just didn’t look as serious as I thought it would. I’ve seen single car fires in a garage make the place look unrecognizable.

Huge_Animal5996

I’d be curious if anyone has better knowledge than me (none) of how transparent/accurate investigations like this are where there is the potential to blame a foreign manufacturer’s product vs a national airlines’ maintenance practices?

Choice-Structure-428

Imo the theories being spouted about the pilots accidentally retracting the flaps are very unlikely and very unfair on the pilots. Also doesn't gel with what we're seeing in apartment video where the plane is already struggling to climb whilst the slats and flaps appear at least somewhat extended.


But if this theory were true would there be a noticeable increase in airspeed recorded in the lead up to the crash as the cD &amp; cL (and hence cD_i ) all reduce? There seems to be no other control inputs being made so the velocity data shouldn't be too difficult to analyze, was any acceleration recorded whilst the aircraft plateued?

Kobe_Wan_Ginobili

Jesus Christ I thought another one had happened

ZNWD

Extremely disappointed by all the alleged pilots on social media and YouTube claiming the pilots most likely forgot to set the flaps or accidentally raised them up after takeoff. You’d think so called pilots would be the first to understand how unlikely that is, especially on a 787

FutureHoo

BlueDotty

Question for those who know.

Is it even possible to have a "total electrical failure" that would interrupt the fuel systems to both engines?  Don't the engines each run independently of each other and have their own fuel system, down to drawing fuel from their own tank?  Also, each fuel system has at least one back up AC generator in case of failure, right?

_MIguy_

Admirable_Squash_934

https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/least-270-bodies-recovered-air-india-crash-site-hospital-official-says-2025-06-14/

India orders inspection of Boeing 787s after Air India crash

RGV_KJ

Are we still looking at a phone camera recording a monitor and making conclusions? Even the media player buttons are blurry on that video. Has anyone got a link to a clean download?

reddit5389

Tinfoil hat time, this is all speculative and my own thoughts,

Is it possible the gear up maneuver triggered a catastrophic power management failure in electrics causing some sort of overload (I dont know, im just guessing),  leading to immediate RAT deployment since both engines shut down causing loss of thrust , hydraulics and flight control?

Key-Contact1774

Is this accident the lowest altitude a commercial aircraft has suffered dual engine ever (assuming it was a dual engine failure)

All other incidents I can think of - US 1549, the SAS MD80 crash, BA38 (technically not a dual engine failure but still) - the pilots had time to react and attempt to reduce damage. The poor AI pilots had no chance. It’s still baffling to me how a state of the art jet can almost instantaneously lose complete power right after takeoff. The videos don’t look real.

Why does the vertical stabilizer look so cleanly broken off?

https://x.com/aviationbrk/status/1933851268314734657?s=46

Pickle_Slinger

I came across another English-language [interview of the survivor](https://www.independent.co.uk/asia/india/air-india-flight-crash-boeing-plane-latest-news-b2770317.html?page=2#post-2093577). Thought I'd share it here. My opinion: poor guy looks so traumatized, yet still has to take the arguably stupid questions...

IanPlaysThePiano

Wish the airport operators leaked more clips from different angles

When we will have the first trustworthy answers about what approximately happened?

SendMeYourTDIes

THIS MEGATHREAD IS NOW CLOSED

Please post any new content related to this incident on our [new megathread.](https://www.reddit.com/r/aviation/s/LqhXEh7T8b)

usgapg123

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ac90bLg1Oek

Watch this video and see his point about landing gear position. He makes a very good point

Found 3 clips of B788’s that underwent RAT testing and there are angles where the RAT can be louder than the GEnx and Trent’s. 

1st clip is an overhead flyover of an AA B788 (GEnx) approaching PDX 

2nd is the same AA flight landing at PDX (think it’s a Boeing test, not sure)

3rd is an ANA B788 (Trent) landing at KPAE (Boeing test flight)

https://www.reddit.com/u/SmashNDash23/s/0cIsKXGNm4

SmashNDash23

For those wondering, this is what the aural take-off configuration warning sounds like if the crew attempt to take-off without any flaps. Taken on a 787 simulator.

Very hard to miss and just ignore. 

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/1AUrVvjeSh/?mibextid=wwXIfr

fordfocus2024

I think it is now quite certain that both engines failed. The only question that arises is what could have caused this? Bird strike or fuel contamination can be ruled out as A bird strike could would be clearly visible in the video and fuel contamination would have atleast slightly affected all other flights departing from Ahmedabad as well. Could it be that all magnetos/ignitors failed? Requesting all possible theories

singhaashray

Here are validated real-world Airbus and Boeing incidents involving dual-engine shutdowns or issues like engines stuck at high/idle power—triggered by software logic, power failures, or FADEC quirks:


---

1. Airbus A220 – Dual-engine shutdown on landing (July 11, 2021)

What happened: The crew retarded thrust to idle while autothrottle was still maintaining Mach. This mismatch triggered a transient thrust-control logic failure.

Outcome: Upon touchdown, both Pratt &amp; Whitney PW1500G engines shut down automatically, seriously compromising braking and hydraulics  .

Action taken: Airbus released a FADEC software update to revise detection criteria and prevent this from recurring  .



---

2. Boeing 787‑8 (All Nippon Airways JA825A) – Dual-engine shutdown on landing (Jan 19, 2019)

What happened: Moments after touchdown at Osaka Itami, both Trent 1000 engines lost power. The aircraft coasted down the runway with no thrust and couldn't restart the engines on-ground  .

Likely cause: Boeing’s Thrust Control Malfunction Accommodation (TCMA) logic intervened—interpreting high thrust settings in weight-on-wheels conditions as a fault and shutting engines down  .

Status: Investigation into Boeing FADEC/TCMA behavior is ongoing following the incident  .



---

3. Airbus A340‑300 / Boeing 777 (CFM56‑5C &amp; Trent 800 engines) – FADEC PMA power-loss shutdown risk

What happened: In Airbus A340 engines, failure of the Permanent Magnet Alternator (PMA) led to ECU power loss. Due to a software defect, the FADEC ECU did not switch to aircraft electrical power and shut down the engine in-flight  .

Potential risk: Similar FADEC ECU behavior was identified in Boeing 777 with Trent 800 engines—leading to concerns about potential dual shutdowns  .

Mitigation: Service Bulletins and software upgrades have been mandated to ensure the ECU properly switches to aircraft power in PMA failure events  .

I just got off a flight on a 787-8…these big crashes always affect me for a few days. I wasn’t scared or anything just at takeoff was thinking of those poor souls. Can’t get my mind off it especially during a flight/travel day. Life is so unpredictable. I like traveling but used to be an anxious flyer (now I’m fine) and it’s so strange how we know that aviation in general is very safe but there’s always a feeling in me that somehow a big plane like 787, a350, 777 etc just feel safer than say a320…you get a feeling of comfort and amazement at these big planes being able to fly, and being in the same plane model as this tragic crash was just eerie. Such powerful machines to think of such a tragic event happening and here we are.

Delicious_Novel_4400

Not sure if it was posted. Thourough analysis

[https://www.reddit.com/r/aircrashinvestigation/comments/1la62hn/air\_india\_flight\_171\_accident\_analysis/](https://www.reddit.com/r/aircrashinvestigation/comments/1la62hn/air_india_flight_171_accident_analysis/)

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